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February 25, 2005.
When actress Hilary Swank won her Oscar for the indie film Boys Donít
Cry, it was feared sheíd be cursed with too much success too early in
her career. But given her exemplary performance as boxer wanna-be Maggie
Fitzgerald in the Clint Eastwood-directed Million Dollar Baby, sheís
proven to have talent well beyond that earlier role. And with the new Oscar
nom, Swank may find this role being the greater benchmark in her burgeoning
Whatís the appeal of hitting somebody and being hit?
When I heard about [this role], I just thought, "What is the thing about
hitting someone and wanting to get hit? Where's the pleasure in it?" The
whole thing eluded me, but then, you know what? Like anything else in life,
and I'm sure you've experienced this, when you have to dive into something
deeper than you would, for whatever reason, you gain respect for it because
you learn about it in different ways than you ever would expect. It's not
like I didn't like boxing, I just didn't think about boxing. Then after
training, and boxing 2 1/2 hours a day, six days a week for three months
became part of my training before I started filming, and, as I filmed I kept
boxing, [I worked on it] for probably five months. I learned that itís much
more than anything physical. Obviously the physical aspect of it is huge,
but it is such an unbelievably mental sport. I don't know how many of you
play chess, but itís like a great game of chess, and I say that because when
you're in the ring, you're one with this person. Everything goes silent and
it's you and that person. You hear your breath. You hear the other person.
And as you try to figure out your [opponentís] strength and weakness, you're
learning about your own. And each person that you spar with, their strength
and weakness brings out new strength and weakness in yourself. And the
second you think, "I have this person," and you get cocky, you're going to
get beat. It's such a great parallel to life, about being humble, about
respecting the other person. I've never known a fighter that doesn't respect
the person they're fighting with. You have an enormous respect for them.
Itís so deep and really hard to explain, but I love boxing now and have an
enormous amount of respect for boxers as athletes because boxing is also the
most physically challenging thing I have ever done.
Have you watched both men and women box?
Yes, I went to boxing matches. I lived, slept, ate, breathed, and drank
boxing. I would be sleeping and [mimes with a fist] I'd wake myself up
punching. I hit my husband a couple of times. I was dreaming of boxing. I
was taking it all in. I read the script. Part of it was about boxing, but
there's that other layer about relationships.
What did you do when you started bulking up?
People said to me, "Did you feel masculine?" Because I gained nineteen
pounds of muscle, when they asked me to gain ten. And when I read the
script, I'm playing a boxer, right? So, of course I'm going to train and be
believable as a boxer, that's my job. So getting to step into people's shoes
for that moment is amazing, but the actual changes I went through physically
were so interesting because I learned so much aboutt
my body and mind. The biggest thing I learned in making this movie were the
obstacles I set for myself. Because physically, in order to ask your body to
do something like training 4 1/2 hours a day, six days a week, and eating
210 grams of protein a day, meant I had to eat every hour and a half. I
needed nine hours of sleep a night because my body had to recover, but I had
to wake up in the night and drink a protein shake because I couldn't go that
long without eating. I was drinking egg whites, flax oil and eating mostly
raw fish. But I had to split it up because your body can only assimilate so
much protein at a time. I will tell you that as my body started physically
getting stronger, I felt so powerful but not in a "I'll kick your ass" type
of way. You realize that your body's a machine. When you see that people, a
long time ago, were running to hunt their food, you realize that our bodies
can conform and adapt to what we need. It's just so amazing. I have so much
respect for my body and how it works now. I've always been athletic, but
nothing is like boxing. The first time I heard a three-minute round I
thought, "Wow, I'm really going to kick someone's ass." That's nothing.
Three minutes. And I was halfway through my second round and I almost threw
How's Clint [Eastwood] as a director and actor?
I love Clint. Everything you hear about him is true. I had such high
expectations because he's Clint Eastwood and been making movies longer than
I've been alive. I have such enormous respect for his talent. Iíve heard
from Laura Linney, Kevin Bacon and people who've worked with him, ďWait till
you work with him. It's the best experience you'll ever have in your
career.Ē That's some high expectations. And when we make expectations,
usually things can't live up to it because our imaginations are really
powerful. But he exceeded them and more. The man is an anomaly. There will
never be another Clint Eastwood. He so multifaceted; his talent runs the
gamut and he creates an environment in which everyone feels comfortable. He
says he gets people he feels are right for the job and he lets them do it.
He's the most amazing collaborator. When all is said and done and youíve
watched the movie, his fingerprints are all over it. And you didn't even
realize the gentle guidance and color that was happening in every moment
because he's so subtle and so simple.
Does he lay down these oblique suggestions like co-star Morgan Freeman
does to him in the movie?
Yes, a good way to put itís very good parallel. He does that and he's so
confident, not in an arrogant or egotistical way. He's just so calm because
he's done it. He knows what he wants and how to do it. His suggestions were
always poignant; as a man of few words, when he talks, it's important or
Whatís your favorite Clint Eastwood movie?
I like a lot of them so it's hard to pick one. I would say maybe a few
from different eras. I like Dirty Harry and Unforgiven. And I
like The Bridges of Madison County, but I have to say Million
Dollar Baby is his best acting to date.
He cries in this one and you never see that.
He is so moving in this movie. I just sit in awe. It just gives us all
hope. He's 74. I have a few years to catch up. It's an extra dimension
because it's Clint being this emotional. It's so powerful because you really
haven't seen him do that.
important in any kind of relationship with you?
I would say communication. I mean, obviously sex is good with your
husband or your significant other, and anyone else if you're not married. I
would say communication and respect and believing in another person. Those
are three things. I've been with my husband for over twelve years. Thatís
made our relationship work. We have a mutual respect, the communication is
key and believing in one another makes you feel like you can do anything.
Was there ever a joking atmosphere on the set?
No pranks but lots of joking and improvising. Itís kind of hard with the
material to go too far off [of it], but thereís a scene when he says ďOK
weíre going to go and fight the welterweight,Ē and I jumped on him! After
that I said, ďIím so glad you were ready for thatĒ because I could have
knocked him over with all the extra weight I put on.
Morgan Freeman said acting is easy.
I could sit here and name the great actors that make it look effortless.
I watch them and think, ďI should retire,Ē because itís almost uninspiring
because itís so fucking good. Iím left speechless.
So youíd give back your Oscar?
[chuckling] No but I still have a lot to learn and Iím excited about
that. I like watching performances and learning from them. God forbid if I
ever watch anything I do and go ďOh yeah, that was great. I couldnít change
anything.Ē Then I might as well quit because where do you go? With Morgan,
he makes it look effortless and just easy. The truth is I donít think he has
to work hard at it. He would walk in, be talking and all of a sudden
everything would be over and you realize that a scene just happened. You
donít know where the acting ends and the person begins. He really is
effortless and graceful.
In the second part of the movie youíre immobilized. How different is
It really feels like two different movies in some ways. Clint likes to
call it the female Rocky with a twist. But theyíre very different. To
be so physical and then to be so ďnot physicalĒ is strange because I stopped
training. He shot everything mostly in sequence. And I just stopped
everything and that was really weird.
How did your body feel when you stopped?
You get used to working out and training and it becomes something you
crave. I was trying to lose my weight so I would wake up in the morning and
go spinning or running. So I was still exercising, but not exactly in the
Was it hard to lose the weight?
No. I stopped drinking egg whites, raw fish and protein shakes in the
middle of the night and somehow it found its way off.
Do you feel youíve lost something since you donít maintain that regimen
No. I still feel like Iím in the best shape of my life. We finished July
30th. I still feel like Iím in pretty good shape and I kept some of
my weight on and I really like it. By working to keep it, wanting to stay
this way. Itís not that I donít lift weights but going from 110 to 129? Iím
116 now and I love it, and would like to stay this weight. It feels really
good and I feel more solid and more comfortable. Not that I tried to stay
110, I think itís part of my genes. I eat what I want, but I donít eat meat.
I eat fish, so maybe thatís part of it. I donít know. But I eat a lot of
sweets and I do think Iím pretty disciplined in that if I want pizza I donít
eat a whole box, but what I mean is that it doesnít make me sick. I donít do
things that make me feel uncomfortable. I work out and I go for a run. Iím
running now and I think boxing made me want to run. Itís weird. Iíve never
run. I hated running. I would never see myself running in a million years.
But something happened to my lungs where I crave to run and to feel my lungs
Were you able to use the mental obstacles you overcame while training
when acting in this film?
Yeah, and itís the biggest thing I had to learn in this movie. Iím so
thankful for it because I really believe thisÖ I found it would be Saturday
and I would have had trained 22 hours that week. I was tired and would wake
up saying ďI just canít today.Ē Of course, Iíd go, but my mind was not in it
so I was just wasting my time. I would say ďOh, I have to box her today and
sheís really hardĒ or ďI canít do that punch.Ē As soon as I said that, I
wasnít going to be able to do it. The power of the mind is so great. And the
great analogy I like to use going back to running. Nobody thought they could
run a four-minute mile or better. So nobody did it. All of a sudden someone
did it and the next year, 55 people did it. Why? Cause they said somebody
else did it so I can do it. Itís powerful and I found that all of the time I
would find myself going to that place, Iíd say, ďDonít go there.Ē It was my
biggest obstacle. There was nothing standing in my way. If I could break
through that, I was breaking through barriers weekly. I think that that is a
great parallel for life. If I wake up one day and say I canít do something,
of course, Iím not going to be able to do that. Everyone has that power to
say I can do that! And you work really hard and go for it. I really believe
it now more than ever.
Did you get injured at all?
No long-term injuries but certainly, I was having trouble with my rotator
cuff on my left side. Then the occasional bloody lip and bruised nose. No
broken nose, but I got hit in my nose a lot. And head butts. They were just
accidents. Chad was the biggest. Heíd push me against the ring and Iíd say
get off me. Weíre not wrestling [laughs]. My big fight in the end,
Lucia Rijker [who is s former kick-boxing champion and played Billie The
Blue Bear] is incredible and is a Buddhist so I call her the Boxing Buddha.
Sheís this incredible woman and collaborating with her was brilliant. We had
two days to choreograph our scene. Clint doesnít choreograph or rehearse
anything so we would stand there and say ďOK, jab, body, hook, some side
moves.Ē Weíd do it for the camera in different angles and then go on
another five moves. We went to lunch one day and came back to the sequence.
We had already been fighting six hours and it was my close-up. Here comes
Lucia and Iím thinking ďOK, body, jab, under, under, hook? Letís go.Ē Sure
enough, I do my body, my jab and here comes a hook but I forgot. I saw it,
got hit and moved. Unfortunately I said ďOh shitĒ right away and was hoping
they could use it later. So Iím getting a t-shirt made saying ďI Got Hit
From Lucia Rijker and SurvivedĒ
When you do a movie like this, do you have to agree with the political
side of the ending to do it?
Itís interesting because I donít think you have to agree when youíre
playing a person in a movie, and do everything they would do. Youíre acting.
That was integral to the story, so I did it.
Would you refuse a movie project if you adamantly disagreed with the way
the movie turns out?
Itís a great question because I think ultimately that happens a lot when
youíre sent scripts. If thereís something in it youíre horrified by?
Then you would step away?
No, The reason I became an actress is that I love people and love
peopleís stories and every person has a story. Itís my job to tell those
stories. Whether I agree with the story or believe in it or believe in that
way of life, itís important for movies to entertain, or to discover, or to
escape. And thatís my job. I believe in showing all different ways of life
whether I live in it or not. The great thing about [this job] is that I get
to learn a lot about life. And it constantly helps me discover what I
believe and what I donít believe. That stuff is ever changing because weíre
growing all the time.