Over forty years into their stellar
career, Aerosmith is still considered one of America's top rock bands.
With decades of hit records, sold-out tours, two autobiographies,
several videos, a singer who extended his stardom on TV's then-most
popular show, and even a roller coaster in Disneyland, Aerosmith is the
epitome of rock-and-roll bigger-stronger-faster.
The group started in 1970 in suburban
Boston when guitarist Joe Perry and bassist Tom Hamilton and drummer
Joey Kramer, members of a local group called Jam Band, hooked up with
Steven Tyler, drummer and singer for another local group called Chain
Reaction. Jam Band and Chain Reaction played together and were mutual
fans and thought they would be a musical fit. For the first year, the
group had a short-lived rhythm guitarist named Ray Tabano, but by 1971
the final piece of the puzzle clicked in with Brad Whitford replacing
Tabano. Aerosmith had arrived.
The group had signed with Columbia
records by the next year. Their self-titled debut album came out in
1973, and was a moderate hit, though it did include the song "Dream On"
that two years later would make the band stars. However, in this first
go-around, the song barely charted, peaking at 59 on the Billboard
charts. The band's second album Get Your Wings continued the
buzz, but it was the 1975 release of Toys in the Attic which made
the band explode. First they had their first top 40 hit with the rock
anthem "Sweet Emotion." On the heels of that, they reissued "Dream On,"
which hit the top ten. "Walk This Way," another top ten followed off of
Toys.
The band followed up with the hit album
Rocks and singles "Back in the Saddle" and a cover of the Beatles
"Come Together." However, the band somewhat disintegrated in the late
70s in a haze of alcohol, drug and crazy partying. Management
intervened to help the band get clean, but they left Columbia Records
and were pretty much out of the pop culture eye until they were reborn
by a very odd circumstance in 1986. Rap pioneers Run-DMC were huge fans
of their single then ten-year-old single "Walk This Way." They decided
to cover the song and asked the band to play on it. The merge of rock
and rap became a giant hit and reinvigorated Aerosmith's career.
Aerosmith went to Geffen Records and
their 1987 album Permanent Vacation returned the band to the top
with three big hits, "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)," "Rag Doll" and
"Angel." The follow-up album Pump was even bigger, spawning
"What It Takes," "Janie's Got a Gun," "Love in an Elevator" and "The
Other Side." Throughout the 90s the band continued to have huge hits –
many of which were ballads, including "Amazing," "Crazy" and the
Armageddon theme "Don't Want to Miss a Thing."
In the decade since, Aerosmith never
left the public eye, whether it was through Steven Tyler's three year
stint on American Idol or biographies of Tyler and Perry or just
hardcore touring. Their most recent tour is hitting theaters on
February 26 as Fathom Events will be releasing – for one night only – a
concert film from last year's tour.
A week before the Aerosmith Rocks
Donington 2014 concert event hit movie theaters for one night only,
we were one of a group of media outlets who got to speak with Tom
Hamilton and Brad Whitford about Aerosmith's history and the new film.
Last
tour, I noticed a bunch of young fans in the audience. Talk to me about
how young people have come to rediscover the group.
Tom
Hamilton:
That's really awesome to hear, actually. We've been doing a lot of
touring in South America and Europe over the past few years. It's
amazing. Down there, our fans are so young. It's crazy. They hang around
us at the hotel and scream and yell when we go in and out. It's a riot.
(laughs) It's an absolute blast. In the States we have our
stalwart fans that are into the various eras of the band, but it's so
great to hear something like that.
Do you
think that Steven's appearance on
American Idol helped that too?
Brad
Whitford:
I think that had a huge impact: Steven being on that TV show. It's
made him an even bigger star than he ever was. (laughs)
Tom
Hamilton:
It's funny. It's not really all that clear. There have been a lot
of things we've been noticing. It's not all statistically automatically
coming out the way it sounds. We always need to inspire our fans and
people, especially you were mentioning kids. That is such a great thing.
The idea that they are listening to Toys in the Attic or Rocks
and wanting to come see us play. It's such a pleasure to be able to
bring that live, at this point in our career, which is 30 years after we
recorded it.
How did
Live in Donington 2014 come about? Why did you decide to do it? What
do you think of it?
Tom
Hamilton:
We had a film that came out a few years ago called Rock for the
Rising Sun. We had never been on tour there and were very anxious to
get over there and bring something for our fans after that horrible,
major disaster that they had there. (ed. note: Two concertgoers
were killed and others were injured at a 1988 Monsters of Rock show at
the venue.) We were there with our fans. We made a DVD out of it. It was
pretty successful, very encouraging in terms of finding out that kind of
stuff that our fans would love to hear, shows that we think are really
classic Aerosmith shows. That was about a short tour. This was about one
show. It's great. People who liked Rock for the Rising Sun will
love this one. Hopefully you'll see it on Palladia. They'll be playing
it. I think it's just going to be awesome. It's Donington.
At this
point in your career how much of a priority is new music? I mean, are
you guys writing new music? Do you foresee any new music in the soon
future?
Brad
Whitford: That's interesting. We're not currently in the studio or anything.
We're not quite sure when we might get back in the studio. Right now
Steven is working on a solo album that he's been wanting to do for the
last 20 years. I think a good deal of inspiration may come out of that.
He may want to continue to write. Maybe at some point this year we might
get into the studio and record some new music. Currently no plans. Our
plan right now is we're preparing for tour this summer.
I read
recently that Joe likes to have spontaneity and improv in the music
whereas Steven likes to be pretty much note perfect the same each night.
Is that true? What is that dynamic like? Where does that puts you guys
in the mix?
Tom
Hamilton:
That's at the core. The dynamic of the band is Joe. He's very
ballsy. He really plays from the hip. He gets an idea, and it pops right
out in the singers. Then sometimes Steven is wishing, "Why isn't he
playing the chords under that spot?" Like the album. It just comes out
with each jam. It's awesome.
Brad
Whitford:
Joe's a big fan of the kind of concerts we used to see as kids. We
had bands like The Cream and Jimi Hendrix. A lot more impromptu stuff
that would happen on stage. It made it very exciting. Joe's a big fan of
that approach. There is an element to Joe's playing sometimes that will
represent that.
I was
intrigued by Joe's comment about people enjoying classic Aerosmith
shows. Do you guys have stuff in the vaults that you might one day go
back and think about releasing some of these vintage and classic shows
maybe?
Tom
Hamilton:
It's funny, we have a pretty much an album's worth of that that I
think has just been gradually posted over the last 20 years on the
internet. It has some demos of some songs that we were really looking
forward to using in some of our great songs. They had a really good one
called "Meltdown," and a really great one called "Dime a Dance Romance."
Nice ethereal stuff. Over the years it just wound up getting people
making an extra copy for themselves at the studio. Now you can find it
online.
Do you
think either that stuff or entire concerts you think you might want to
dig into?
Tom
Hamilton:
I would love to continue digging into that material. We did that on
an album we put out two years ago called Legendary Child. That's
from that era. We were pretty happy with how we finished it for From
Another Dimension album. If we get good at that, maybe it will
create an avenue for some of these things to get finished and hit an
Aerosmith album.
You're
getting ready to tour this year. As you guys tour year after year
obviously there's a certain number of songs that Aerosmith has to play
or you won't go home with all your limbs intact. How much room is there
to add that deep track or two? What kind of discussions do you have in
order to make that happen?
Brad
Whitford:
That is an ongoing conversation, especially about deep tracks.
We're hoping to extract a few more deep tracks, especially for this
summer. We're eager to pull some stuff out of the hat that we haven't
played, or maybe never played, or only played a few times. We think it's
time to do that. We feel we need to do it. It's just time. There's a lot
of great songs we don't get out and represent to the crowd. I think
they're ready and we're ready to do that. Hopefully we're successful in
doing that this year.
Could
elaborate on some of the elements that made the particular performance
at Donington in the film so magical?
Tom
Hamilton:
It's the set list that we played there, right Brad?
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah.
Tom
Hamilton:
It was just a night where everything just really set in for the
band. The band was so tight that night, yet we could relax and just have
fun. Get off on the insane crowd there. Man. Anything you remember on
that, Brad? Finish us up.
Brad
Whitford:
Donington always held a special place for bands of all types. Just
to be invited to play at Donington has always been special. It just had
a magic about it. We were excited just to be there.
Tom
Hamilton:
Yeah, it's a really legendary name in Britain.
Brad
Whitford:
It didn't dawn on us right away or we didn't plan right away that
we were going to be making a film out of it. It's just ... To be able to
capture that moment like we did was great because it does hold a special
place for all us rock and rollers.
Tom
Hamilton:
We should mention that we had planned to film the show and got one
of the best rock video, film directors around, named Dick Carruthers.
He's from England. He does a great job from that English point of view
about rock bands. It's a neat thing as far as our history goes. Anyway,
that's another reason that makes it a special DVD. It's a night in the
tour, but it's also something that's really filmed and interpreted
beautifully. The sound is awesome. The band played really well that
night.
We've
seen so many changes in the music industry over the years, especially
one of the biggest ones being the rise of social media. It changes.
Which one would you say has had the biggest effect on Aerosmith overall?
Brad
Whitford:
Oh, gosh, I don't know. I don't know which one. Social media in
general has just become such a huge way to connect with your fans, to
market. Really, connection with the fans and having their instantaneous
feedback really has just become invaluable for us. To understand what
they like, what they don't like, what they want to hear. It's just huge.
I couldn't single out one of them really.
What have
been your opinions of some of the recent Aerosmith books that have come
out? Joe Perry's has come out most recently. Of course Steven did a book
a couple of years back. What was your guys take on both of those titles?
Tom
Hamilton:
I think Joe's book was a big success. Really, well written,
depicting the story from his point of view. It's very authentic. It's
for people who really are interested, and want to learn the history of
the band from the viewpoint of somebody that experienced it. Steven's
book is fun to read, but it's also all over the place. It's not really
that concise, but it's fun to read.
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah, I would have to agree that my favorite book was Joe's book. I
thought it was extremely well done. To me, there was more passion and
romance in that book, the narrative of his story and his desire to do
this thing. When he talked about growing up in Hopedale, Mass.
(laughs) Just the struggle just to get your hands on a guitar and
live out this dream. It makes for an incredible story because he did it.
He did it, and he did it in a very big way. I just thought it was
extremely well written. It was definitely my favorite book about
Aerosmith to this point.
Many
of your Columbia era titles were re-released on vinyl for record store
day. What do you think of this vinyl resurgence, and do you feel like
there's going to be any plans to do the same with any of your Geffen
albums?
Tom
Hamilton:
It's something you usually let the record company know you'd like
to do it. Then, we'll say, from then on it has to occur to them. Yeah,
it's so cool, the vinyl thing. Obviously, it's not the main way of
people getting music, but it's such a great way to get it. People are
discovering that, wow, you can actually hold the thing and read about it
while you listen to it. It's a different experience. It's a more
physical experience where you're a little closer to the original vibe of
the recording.
Brad
Whitford:
I think it's great. I'm so glad that it happened. It seems to be
growing just at an incredible rate. It's funny because when this whole
digital revolution started it seemed to be so cool. Oh, gosh, it was
almost like you could hear more on the CDs. There was more information,
and that seemed to be very cool. These days when I listen to the vinyl,
I hear the differences. It's really quite remarkable. I didn't really
hear it back then. You're hearing more information on the CD, but
something happened to the sound quality. The vinyl today is so much
richer. Maybe there isn't as much information on it, but the vibe and
the sound is there. It's pretty obvious to a lot of these younger fans
who are just eating up the vinyl. It's quite obvious. You listen to it
back to back, you really hear the difference.
Tom
Hamilton:
It's just a neat thing. I like the digital side too. It's great
that we have both. It's neat that there are these people who are
discovering that it's interesting to relate to your music the way you do
when you play an LP versus a CD or on your phone or whatever. We'll see
what happens with it.
You guys
originally got together back in 1970. Tom, you met Joe and hooked up
with Steven and Joey and soon Brad. Did you guys all know that you were
in the presence of a special group of musicians? Did you have any
inkling that you could still be possibly working together and playing
together all these years later?
Tom
Hamilton:
(laughs)
That's funny, Joe and I were playing as teenagers for years before
Aerosmith. Funny.
Brad
Whitford:
Man, there's just no way we could have imagined this far down the
line still being out there being an important musical act. Absolutely no
way we could have imagined that. In those days we were living day to
day. There were a lot of just huge moments for us back then. The first
time we heard ourselves on the radio and stuff. To imagine hearing
yourself on the radio 10 years later or 15 years later or 20 years later
was not even the thought. (laughs) No way.
Tom
Hamilton:
I will say something though. Joe and I, we played in bands every
summer up there. It was this enchanted summer lake area where all the
kids from Boston and New York would come up. I lived up there in the
country. It was great getting together with Joe every summer and putting
a band together. Then doing it the next year with a different name and
the next year with a different name.
Somewhere in there, Steven, who is also
a summer kid from up there, would come up with his band. He had a band
called the Strangers. Then he changed it a little bit, and they were
called the Chain Reaction. They were unbelievable. It was the first time
I'd ever seen Steven perform. He'd been playing up there at this place
called the Barn, but traditionally Joe and I were too young to be
allowed there. (laughs) They were playing, so we would listen
from the outside.
If there was a big event Steven would
come up. They were an amazing band. They didn't really have any
originals, but wow. When I first saw them play it blew me away. Then
every summer, I think, Steven got frustrated and restless and would
change the band. Then he'd do it again the following year and then the
following year. Eventually he reached a dead end with it and decided he
needed to break out of the way he'd been trying to do it.
That's when he saw Joe and I play at the
Barn ironically. He said, "These guys, they're pretty sloppy and loud,
but man, they really play with energy. This could be fun." (laughs)
He's like, shape that into something. Finally, Joe and Steven got
together a few times. Joe and I talked about it. Steven at that point
was playing drums in his band. He figured we wanted him to be the
drummer. We're like, "Hey, Steven, don't worry about playing the drums.
You can stand up from now on." Then we got Joey. Anyway, yeah, when
things got especially married up between Steven and Joe, there was a
good feeling that we could do what we wanted, depending on how hard we
worked at it.
You guys
have made your name in a string of major hits, and you play many of them
in this show. How do you keep those big songs fresh for yourself after
so many years?
Tom
Hamilton:
You get a new audience every night, so that's fresh. That affects
how you feel as you play these songs. All these songs, you can play them
one of two ways. You can either play them good or you can play them
really good or you can play them bad. Every night you're just trying as
hard as you can to play that song the best you've ever played it. I
guess it's in the mindset.
Brad
Whitford:
It's easy to play a good song. (laughs) We have a bunch of
these great rock and roll riffs. Some stretch a little bit out of the
rock mainstream, but they're all really great songs. It makes it very
easy to play them and to play them well. They just have a lot of energy.
They're songs that we've all heard many times on the radio or in our
cars. You just go back, and you revisit it. They're just fun to do so
it's not a problem to play it well.
I
haven't seen the film yet, but in the press release you guys mention the
mud and rain on the day of the show. Talk a little bit about what the
atmosphere was like that day.
Tom
Hamilton:
Oh, man. One thing about Donington, every time we've been there,
it's been probably the funkiest, most earthy audience band situation on
the tour. Usually the crowd has been there for a few days, and it's been
raining. There are guitars out. The last two times we played there, it
rained all day long and into the opening act. Who was it? I forget. One
of the opening acts is out there and it's raining. Then, we always seem
to luck out and it stops raining to a reasonable amount. We're lucky
that way. The audience gets a particular aroma, between the mud and the
people who just felt it was too far to go to the porti-cans. Whatever
bodily fluids were happening makes up the dirt. (laughs) It's
great. Oh my god. It smells like you're on a farm.
Brad
Whitford:
There's so many different bands on that show. Then the crowd is so
appreciative of everything they hear. It's a really eclectic group of
fans. They're there to hear it all. It's great because back where all
the artists are, you see people you haven't seen in a year or two years.
So many friends from other bands and stuff. It's a great little reunion
as well. It makes it a lot of fun when you're up on stage and all these
guys from other bands are standing in the wings watching. It's really
fun.
Tom
Hamilton:
Brad, did you happen to see the guy with the moobs [ed. note:
man boobs] that night?
Brad
Whitford:
No.
Tom
Hamilton:
Down near the end of the ramp. He was way out into the crowd. He
tried to reach out deeper into the audience. There was this guy down
there with huge moobs. He was flopping them around, exposing himself.
Actually, it was a guy. Very strange behavior, but it was hilarious. He
was having a great time.
Who would
have thought that the bad boys of Boston would get an Orlando, Florida
theme park ride. If Disney said, "Hey, we want you guys to pick a second
ride and a song to drive it," what would each of you guys choose?
Tom
Hamilton:
Oh my God. Maybe one of those ones where you go way the hell up in
a tower and then drop down. That's what Tower of Terror does. I don't
know. I love roller coasters. Imagine us when you put the band together,
these 20-some year olds imagining that some day, (laughs) having
a roller coaster. That's an interesting thing to hope for when you're
trying to make it. You think about women. You think about money. You
think about fame. You don't necessarily expect a roller coaster to come
along.
What song
would pick though?
Tom
Hamilton:
Oh, man. "Back in the Saddle."
Brad
Whitford:
I think "Back in the Saddle." The next ride should be a holographic
experience where you're right on stage with the band. Something like
that would be awesome.
Tom
Hamilton:
That would be really cool. Speaking of that. Brad and I were doing
the same shows for people who want to see it. We're having these little
Q&A sessions, and people can jam with us for a few minutes if they want.
Going to be fun, Brad.
Brad
Whitford:
About as close as you'll get to getting on the stage. It won't be
on the stage, but it will be close. You'll be playing with us.
When you
guys do a film performance like this, does it change your attitude going
in or your approach when you know you're being filmed for the big
screen?
Tom
Hamilton:
Yeah, you want to look as good as you can and still be okay with
being a rocker and rough around the edges like we're supposed to be.
Brad
Whitford:
You kind of forget though. The best approach is to forget the
cameras are there and just do it the way we do it every show. We try and
deliver our best performance always. I don't think we approach it too
much differently other than there's certainly a lot of planning and
stuff before about where cameras are going to be and all that stuff, but
then once you're up there you forget about it.
When
you guys finished the film, obviously you get one shot at this. When
you're finished with it, was the band involved with much overdubbing or
the mixing and editing of the film when it was finished?
Tom
Hamilton:
Not me. Did you do any overdubbing, Brad? I don't think so. I don't
think anybody did. There's none.
Brad
Whitford:
No, it's completely live. There were absolutely no fixes on it.
You've
influenced several generations now. Obviously the business has changed
completely since you guys started. What advice do you give to the young
bands and the young players both on learning the business so you're not
taken advantage of and on the creative side?
Tom
Hamilton:
One thing that I've never done before that I've done in the last
year or so is mentor a person, a teenager who is soon going to Berkeley.
She started early working on her singing and her writing. I had a song
that I had written that really came out sounding like a girl should sing
it. (laughs) It definitely was not a candidate for an Aerosmith
song. We developed that song and made a demo of it. During that process
she learned a hell of a lot. She met some people that are very good
people to know in Boston that have connections in L.A. that she can
pursue as her career builds. That was a good feeling.
Brad
Whitford:
I think you said it in your question. It's really about the best
music is music that's always truth and true to your gut. That's
something that just translates. People get that. They understand it on
maybe another level. When it comes from the heart, and you're singing
about something dear to you or important to you, it's the only way to
go. Trends are trends. (laughs) They come and go. So yeah, it's
about being true to yourself and your musical self. That's going to be
your best path, whether it's to super stardom or just playing your local
venues or whatever it turns out to be. The best path there is just to be
true to yourself.
I hope
this isn't too personal, but I have been sober for about ten years, and
I was just curious how sobriety has been a positive thing for Aerosmith
and how it's helped you become a better band.
Tom
Hamilton:
We had an experience in the late 70s where the band fell apart over
a period of three, four years. The influence of drugs was huge on it.
Later on we got the band back together. Everybody realized that some of
the stuff that we were doing was costing us having this wonderful band.
We had a manager that actually did a very courageous thing. This is in
the books. He became determined that everybody in the band was going to
get clean right away, no matter what the amount was they were using. He
made it seem the only choice at that point, the crossroads that we were
at. It was an intense situation, but it really was a major part of the
band having a resurgence. Doing all this stuff as a band and meeting as
a band and talking about stuff. Relationships and talking and talking.
It was something that really imprinted on us. We can only see it as
being positive for us and contributing to what we have now.
It's
incredible that you guys made it out because a lot of people don't,
especially in the rock music. We've heard of so many overdose deaths and
things like that. I just think it's incredible to see where you are
today is fantastic. I think it gives a lot of people hope. Thank you.
Tom
Hamilton:
We'll try our hardest, but don't forget we're humans too.
You guys
have been such a classic band for such a long time. Over time have you
ever felt the need to modify your music style to keep up with changing
times and to appeal to young crowds?
Tom
Hamilton:
I don't know. That's not really one thing you're describing. That's
part of a process where you generally look around like that. The thing
is, is when new things come along, we're affected by it the way
everybody else is affected by it. You're presented with it. Does it
appeal to you or not? A lot of times it's very full, these different
eras of computer music we're in now and guitar music and R&B. The way
these things cycle is something we've been able to check out because
we've been around for a century. We have our 100th anniversary next week
on Tuesday if you'd like to come.
Brad
Whitford:
I think the closest we came to maybe an experience like that was
when the opportunity came up with Rick Rubin and we did the track with
Run DMC. That just kind of happened. That was a natural evolution of the
music scene that we were lucky to be part of, bringing the rock and rap
together. We've always tried to stay true to our musical roots.
Consciously thinking about reaching an audience is usually the wrong way
to go. Songs need to come from wherever they've always come from. When
you try to write or adapt, can sometimes get in the way. You just have
to continue to write and hopefully it reaches your audience just the way
it always has. When we started out we had no audience. We just wrote the
music we loved, and we learned that other people loved it to. That's the
way to go.
Tom
Hamilton:
Yeah, that first album you get, it's like a honeymoon album. You
get to play the songs that you've been playing live for the last year or
two. You record them, and they have all that vibe. Then two years later
you have to start thinking about another album. You don't really get the
opportunity to do that anymore. Usually there's the writing, the
pre-production and the production. Then you play the song after you put
it out. Whereas on your first album you get to play the material before
you put it out, so you can really create your sound and how you want to
play, how to you want to be seen.
Looking
back at your career, how do you guys feel about the whole Geffen era?
Brad
Whitford:
The Geffen era was actually huge for us. When we started working
with John Kalodner, who had a huge impact on the music we were writing.
He wanted us to step out of our comfort zone and try composing with some
other writers. It turned out to be hugely successful for us. The Geffen
era really brought us back into the mainstream.
Tom
Hamilton:
That era was also the heyday of MTV and video making. I literally
went from a situation of mowing my lawn one day in 1983, freaking out
because this MTV thing was exploding. People were making little films to
go along with their songs. It was happening, and I was thinking, "Wow,
we're never going to experience that." Sure enough, that was probably a
year before the band got back together. Eventually we jumped in there
and had that experience of making a record and making a video to go with
it. It's a whole new avenue of just reaching out and inspiring your
fans.
With
this being released in the theaters, is there any concern about the
spirit of the live performance being lost in the translation when it's
show in theaters?
Tom
Hamilton:
Not if it's loud enough. No, it's just great. It sounds so good.
Live albums for a lot of my life have always been like, "Okay, I love
them because I love what the band is playing, but I wish they sounded as
strong as a studio album can sound." We can do that now. It's one of the
amazing things about digital recordings is you can jack that level up so
that when you watch it and when you listen to it, it's hot and powerful
and accurate.
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah, it's a very accurate representation. You see it exactly as it
happened. There's not a single thing that was fixed on it. It is live as
it happens. That comes across. No gimmicks.
It occurs
to me, with talk about books a little earlier today, we're talking to
the two guys who haven't written Aerosmith books. When are yours coming?
Tom
Hamilton:
(laughs)
They say
everybody on earth has at least one book in them. I feel actually a lot
of feelings that I should figure out how to do that. I'd like to try
actually writing it myself. I'm learning about what that process is,
what it is and how it's done. I enjoy writing. I don't know. We'll see.
I have songs and demos of songs that I dream about some band playing
whether Aerosmith gets to them or not. It's a little hopeful excitement
for me.
Brad
Whitford:
I don't know. I think the subject's been pretty well documented.
(chuckles) I don't know if another book about it would ... I don't
know. I have no plans myself to be writing any books about Aerosmith in
the near future.
The other
thing in memory lane for you guys is Aerosmith has an anniversary every
hour of any given day. This year it is 40 for
Toys in
the Attic, which was obviously a big one. What is your 2015
perspective on what that album meant, what it was like making it and
everything like that?
Tom
Hamilton:
It was the first album where myself, and I think the band itself,
felt really experienced in the studio. How to use the studio and better
ways to arrange your music. We were able to do that on Toys in the
Attic. I just remember wanting to play better than I ever had on a
record. That one and Rocks, it was the same thing. Everybody,
Brad and I, were putting songs in there. Brad came with "Last Child."
Then I had a song called "Sick as a Dog" that are both awesome rockers.
Brad
Whitford:
Our first album was very easy for us because we had all the
material ready. It was just a matter of recording it. The second album
became a challenge. The record company didn't really believe in us
anymore because we sold so little of our first album. (laughs) We
started Toys in the Attic. We started to figure the process out,
and the creative juices were really flowing. We were coming up with
great material. It was a really, really fun project for us. Jack Douglas
and his production was absolutely invaluable. We really started to
develop a style of putting together the music. Jack came up with some
absolutely classic mixes and productions of this stuff that still amazes
me when I listen to it. I'm very, very proud of that record.
Tom
Hamilton:
It was kind of a sweet spot that we hit.
Brad
Whitford:
Definitely.
Following
up on that idea of the 40th anniversary of
Toys, a lot of groups are out there
playing their full albums, front to back, during concerts coinciding
with an anniversary. Just curious if that idea appeals to you for
Toys or any of the other albums? Do you see Aerosmith ever doing
anything like that?
Tom
Hamilton:
It's neat to think about those anniversaries and those important
milestones in time. But I just don't really think about it that much.
(laughs) I don't know. I guess I'm a little casual about that one.
Brad
Whitford:
I think it would be fun to do. I'd love to do that, maybe make a
more intimate setting and do Toys and Rocks and invite
some of our friends from the music industry who claim to have been
influenced. Have people sit in and join us on playing back some of that
stuff. I think it would be really cool.
Tom
Hamilton:
That is an awesome idea. Write that one down, Brad.
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah, I've got it. (They both laugh.)
Sounds
like it would make for a good DVD.
Tom
Hamilton:
Ah, man. It would. The way we use the effects in the studio of that
record, the stuff that Jack came, ideas of his and Steven's and Joe's
about sonic experimentation and all that. It was really harder making
records back then. It is now too, but we were riding a wave of recording
technology getting better when we did Toys in the Attic. If you
listen to the sound of Get Your Wings, and then you listen to the
sound of Toys in the Attic, you'll see how much progress there
was in just a few years in recording technology and our own personal
technology in terms of our playing it, the engineers and everything.
What do
you guys think accounts for this increasing popularity of live concerts
coming to movie theaters in general? I know U2 has done it, Peter
Gabriel has done it, the Rolling Stones have done it, and now you guys
are doing it.
Tom
Hamilton:
You know what? I didn't really realize that, or it didn't dawn on
me that there is a lot of that. I think it's just that in the last few
years, where the sound of them is so much stronger. It's not like
somebody set up a few mics to record a show one night. I mean, we record
absolutely constantly when we play. It's just a given right now. It's
just always on record. (laughs)
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah. You know what? It's actually a great way to relive the
concert. We do our best when it's a live performance to make it have the
visual impact and the sonic impact that it has. When we do something
like this, put it on DVD or play it in the theater, you do get a chance
to revisit the mix. That allows you the opportunity to really make it
sparkle. Sometimes stuff live can get lost or cluttered. In this
particular show, you're hearing it exactly as it happened. There's no
over-dubs. Nothing's been fixed on it or repaired. It's just been
sonically enhanced. If you weren't there and you go see this in the
theater, you’re going to see it just as good as it could be possibly
represented to you.
Tom
Hamilton:
That's very enlightening to hear that you're noticing an increasing
trend. I wasn't aware of that. That's very interesting. We have such an
amount of really beautifully recorded Aerosmith shows going from the
present back to 20 years ago; we've just been recording shows
constantly. Obviously some day we can go through some of that. That
would take a long time. That's stuff we can put out for people to check
out and put some really great digitals with it and some interesting
comments from the band on it. I can see why people are enjoying it as a
theater experience because you can go in there. You can listen to it
really loud, and nobody's blabbing to you while you're trying to listen
to it. You're really much more immersed at it than you can be at home
unless you’re absolutely by yourself. Particularly, when they do
whatever they do to get mentally and spiritually prepared for a rock
show. Get that done, only in Colorado where it's not against the law.
Then you go in and just have that intensity.
The
Boston music scene was so vibrant in the 60s, 70s and 80s with bands
like you and The Standells and J. Geils Band and later things like The
Cars and Boston. What was it like to be part of that music scene, and
what do you think it is about the city that spawns musicians?
Tom
Hamilton:
There's tons of students there from all over the world, especially
now. So many people now are playing an instrument, playing guitar or
something. That was much more rare back then.
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah, it was a melting pot. I think that had a lot to do with that
because you had so many young people there. People right at the age of
discovering... so many college students. Thousands, thousands, tens of
thousands, all discovering about life and about what they were going to
do and what they really liked and didn't like. We came out of that.
Certainly not out of college. (laugh) None of us were ... We
didn't have any real big college experiences, other than performing for
the students. That was a great experience. We played at BU a lot,
rehearsed at BU. We met people from all over the place starting out in
Boston. It was just a great place for it to happen. I really can't put
my finger on anything other than that. It happened. It was a great music
scene. Boston is still huge. The Cars, you'll never not hear the Cars on
the radio.
Tom
Hamilton:
Remember the Stone Phoenix coffeehouse, Brad?
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah.
Tom
Hamilton:
There was this place. It had a couple of different names like a lot
of these places. I think the Unicorn or something like that. We used to
go there to hear this band called the Modern Lovers. It was Jonathan
Richman. Jonathan Richman is this very quirky but fun to watch singer
and writer. We used to see those guys play. One of the guys, the
drummer, was in the Cars. [ed. note: David Robinson] The keyboard
player is a very accomplished producer now. He's done a lot of big
records.
Brad
Whitford:
Jerry? [ed. note: Jerry Harrison, who went on to be a member
of Talking Heads.]
Tom
Hamilton:
It was neat seeing these people. Billy Squier. He came out. What
was the band he was in before that, Brad? Ah, shoot. [ed. note:
The band was called Piper.]
Brad
Whitford:
Oh, gosh.
Tom
Hamilton:
A really good band. You would think, "Okay, these guys are going to
be the next ones out of Boston." It wound up being him making a record
on his own and finding a different band, I think. You couldn't really
play originals in clubs back then in Boston. If you played in those
places, they wanted you to play top 40 covers. The people would come,
hear the songs that they like and hang around and drink. Later on we
were playing in places like that, but at the beginning we had to go
anywhere we could do a combination of our favorite songs plus a
smattering of ours as they get developed.
Brad
Whitford:
Yeah, which meant we didn't play a lot in the Boston area.
(laughs) We had a booking agent that would get a lot of work outside
of Boston. It allowed us to play a lot more of our own music, because we
were right in the middle of that "You've got to play the top 40," which
we couldn't do, we didn't want to do, and we didn't know the songs.
(laughs) We could do ours songs that we knew. We knew lots of Stones
and Zeppelin and Yardbirds. That's what we wanted to do.
Tom
Hamilton:
We used to play at the Navy Club in Boston. It was such a great gig
because you would go over there, they would take you in the kitchen at a
big table and feed you until you're stuffed. We would play our songs and
a mixture of Yardbirds and Zeppelin and Stones and blues songs and
stuff. They would just dance their asses off. These guys must have been
people who just got on shore leave or something. That was a fun gig. We
used to play our originals there. They didn't care as long as they could
dance. This is Joe Perry talking, "As long as they can dance, they're
open to hearing a strange song or a new song."
Brad
Whitford:
As long as there was girls to dance with.
Tom
Hamilton:
Exactly.